"You are right. When we read first Church History written by
Eusebius of Caesarea he wrote that first Roman bishop - Pope was Linus. This is
very bad thing to call Peter first pope, probably invented by Hign medieval
Popes in fighting with German Emperor from time of Emperor Henry IV. All
Apostles was leader of Church there was not dictator of Church like Popes
invented it in High Middle Ages."
"Great. Jesus Christ by rock mentions not Peter, but rock is
Christ and faith that Jesus Christ is God and Son of God. Peter just said that
Jeus is Son of God. This faith is rock. Peter also never mentions that Peter is
rock of fondation of Church, he mentions that salvation is only is by name of
Jesus Christ, and Christ is rock. Latin Fathers before schism also believed
that. Popes fighting German Emperors in High Middle Ages probably invented all
that, and certainly forged document - the Donation of Constatine created this
western dogma of papal supremacy. ...
Yes and Pope is forerunner of Antichrist. People do not know that Popes from High Middle Ages thought of themself that they have right to rule the World. It starts from Gregory VII and Dictatus Papae in 1075."
"Um... There was no "Petrine" subordination
in early Church. Orthodox Church hold ancient beliefes of early Church and it
did existed as One Holy Apostolic Church. Theory of subordination to
"Petine seat" came first with forgered document from 8th century
called Donation of Constantine (it was discovered that it is forgery in 16th
century in Italy) and from inventions by pope Gregory VII in 11th century. It
is all based on ancient pagan Roman ideology of person of Roman Emperor -
emperor and pontifex maximus in one person. ... Also apostle Peter was never
regarder as first of apostles and apostle above other apostles (by apostles
themself), as we can see that he was not infallible (he denied Christ three
times, and made mistake when ap. Paul write about it (Epistle to the Galatians 2:11-21) and
he was equale with other apostles (his will did not ruled in Apostolic council
(the Works of the Apostles, chapter 15). Peter is one of foundations of New
Jerusalem, every apostle is foundation. (Book of Revelation 21:14). So,
we can see that belief that ap. Peter is ruler of other apostles and above
other apostles is not truly Christian belief and belief of early Church. Also
bishops are successors to the apostles and bishops (patriarchs) also do not
need to be subordinate to Roman bishops. And in 5th century there was no need
to be subordinate to Roman bishop -pope. True faith is essential to Church and
not person of one man and every man can make mistakes."
To su sve moju komentari, a ovde stavljam i jedan od nekog drugog koji je odličan.
"Patriarch of Constantinople Michael Cerularius after
16. july 1054. (anathema) convoked council and they called poapal legat Humbert
of Silva Candida on council but he did not wanted to go and his suite also. On
council they affirmed decision of Patriarch. ... You should mention the
Donation of Constantine - forged document by which Popes believed they are
head, major in Church. ... True is that Western Church changed
Nicene-Constantinople creed which was forbidden by anathema to change, Pope
become "Emperors", everything changed in West. And as we look history
Roman Church is changing more and more, in 1871 is dogma of papal
infallibility. Eastern Church did not changed from times of Apostles. ...
Humbert was wrong in many things. "
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